"Censor.NET conversation is leading "Echo of Moscow" correspondent "LosAngelesTimes" Sergei L. Loiko and journalist "Echo of Moscow" and the TV channel "Rain" Timur Olevsky, who saw the battle for the Donetsk airport with your own eyes. This broadcast is prohibited to output in Russia and has been removed from the site.

A. plushev - You once again welcomes Alexander plushev in the program "Your own eyes". Today we have Sergei L. Loiko, the correspondent of "LosAngelesTimes", good evening! And our colleague from the "Echo of Moscow", TV channel "Rain" Timur Olevsky. Hello!

So Olevsky - Good evening! I like Sergei, I'll nod and not say.

A. Plushev - Yes. Talk about fighting for the Donetsk airport. As I understand it, is out there, just got back, Yes?

So Olevsky - you've got to tell where everyone was, perhaps, Serge. You're deeper than just climbed into the hell of this.

C. Loyko - Yes, I had been hitch-Hiking from Kiev and finished his journey in Donetsk airport, where he spent 4 days in this...

A. plushev - i.e. you from the Ukrainian side drove the car?

So Olevsky - And on the other hand it is not possible to come alive. There are fights for the airport, and from Donetsk there fighters DND, action - so they try to take it by storm, and they don't go. Although not entirely true, there are nuances, as actually constructed to protect the Donetsk airport. When I learned - Sergey-you just saw with your own eyes - I was very close with him, but not directly in it, but when I learned, frankly, I do not believe that in the same building there are both military, they literally can with each other almost to perekrikivayutsya, well, chat grants...

C. Loyko - Yes, there was an episode when one commander these Marines with the code name "Rahman", he literally point blank shoots - as they call them - "separa", which stands on the tarmac. And as in a computer game he shoots the rest of his Stechkin, discharges his gun, he sees that the breath is the ferry on the street. And he shoots him in response, and he runs away, hiding in the transparent sleeve that goes on the third floor. And this "Rahman" is in such a stupor: "What! As I don't hit!", and he yells, "Separ! Separ! Come back!" But that was already gone.

So Olevsky Is the building of the second terminal. The second terminal. The first and second floor is occupied by the Ukrainian military, and the third floor and the basement is occupied by separatists.
C. Loyko - There is a three-dimensional...

So Olevsky - you Know, it's one building.

C. the band is a three - Dimensional environment. Actually there are two buildings: the old terminal and the new terminal. As for the trip to the airport, the most difficult thing in this journey is input and output. This applies not only to me, but the Ukrainian military who go there regularly travel to provide the defenders, and they'd been there for 5 months....
So Olevsky - this should, of course, understand.

C. Loyko - ...Water, weapons to pick up the wounded, to lead the boys to happen rotation, because there's inhuman conditions, i.e. the conditions are just... I don't know, to the North pole, perhaps, captain Scott, it was easier to access than there is.

A. plushev - I want to pay attention even listeners and viewers Seteditor on the screens, which in our Studio installed. There pictures taken, brought out by Sergei L. Loiko. But it would be better if it was not, because here the quality is horrible. I'm ashamed of what it looks like.

A. Plushev - Sorry.

C. Loyko - okay.

A. plushev - Not me, honestly...

C. Loyko - forget it.

A. plushev - If we have the opportunity during the broadcast...

So Olevsky - They just dim a little.

A. plushev - to Adjust the brightness would, Yes it would be great. And more light there to give, I guess. Here are the best pictures out there who did. The path there...
C. Loyko - I said entrance and exit... Remember the expression: "the Entrance for the ruble - out for three, so here: login - life and out - life. That is, you're up there... can get there, and may never come. And only inside the APC. The journey takes on a completely free space from all - you visible from all sides - the journey takes about ten minutes. There are several sites, when you are in armor all the time something is beating and near something explodes. That is, if you are lucky, you will pass. No luck - 12.7 caliber armor piercing cartridge from the gun "Rock" breaks the APC through, killing all who is there. And the airfield, for example, the airport, it's just... There are no planes, there is one training plane somewhere far worth it, but it's littered with burnt tanks and APCS that thither went and could not leave or enter.

And when the armored personnel carriers, column: 1-2 or 2, or 4 depending on what is delivered, transferred to a new terminal or to what is left of it - here is the most difficult place, because all get out, start to unload, and starts shooting from all sides. Half of those who are at the airport, they shoot in all directions, in order to suppress the fire from the perimeter of the separatists, and some people unloads armored personnel carriers. Unload just all throw on the airfield. Then, when they all run away, leave all who live down in armored personnel carriers, pulling back injured, then armored personnel carriers, if they are not, leave. And already after dark, people crawl out and all this is being carried to the new terminal. In the old terminal is generally impossible to drive because the new sweep with two sides, and the older it from all sides, and the separatists are much closer to the old. Recently there was there a massacre, when the old terminal was burning on the top floor and there killed many people, and there were many wounded. But separatists was not there. But in the new terminal there is a three-dimensional environment. There is not only around the perimeter of the airport are separatists, but they are in the basement, which has branches and different turns and leaves for the airport, and on the third floor. And the first and second floors are occupied...
A. plushev - And third floor... how did they...

C. Loyko - They go to the basement, and both those and others all the time mine some inputs and outputs, but mine so that no one remembers that which is just. But the separatists, as some spirits: they evade, they jump out. Recently, one separatist - that's when I rushed to the balcony inside the second floor and a balcony with a grenade launcher "Fly" started this "fly" at the entrance of the headquarters of most of these troopers, and the missile exploded right above the entrance. All fell, all sprinkled. If he exploded inside, all would have died there, and there was just all of concussion, including me. And immediately the man, the trooper, whose name was Batman he looks like Batman - he threw back the grenade, the grenade flew, it exploded there, somewhere near the balcony - all again fell to the ground. And, generally, all that is happening there, from how it looks, how does this airport is just something epic... the feeling that it is some filmset, because it can not be so in real life! It now will come Spielberg and say, "Cut!". Because it's so ruined ruins, so ruinous all this flying around the field, so defeated all... It's like the Palace of congresses, only without congresses and without glass and with pognutyj, twisted, burnt frames. There is not one square meter, which would not be pierced by dozens of bullets. There's bullet holes everywhere: the entire ceiling is broken, the walls were all broken. In there all the time darkness: day, twilight, night absolute darkness. If the day more people include some flashlights and generators, something charge... battery, then a night full shutdown mode only: no flashlight, no cigarettes sniper shoots on the third puff. And when they start to fill their shops for machines, not really God that someone missed the tracer and loaded machine tracer bullet. They are not firing tracer bullets. They have a sense of humour: "We only shoot tracer idle.
And, of course, deprivation at this airport terrible, cold dog, no sticking there, everywhere drafts. All sneeze, cough all, warm up nowhere. The only thing they can afford, it's hot tea on Primus stoves. And kettles are black-black. All in absolute darkness, all in absolute darkness. Toilet - he is everywhere, where you're lucky and won't kill you - that's how it is. But big ago is almost nowhere to go and no smell, because people don't eat. They feed their adrenaline. All such eyes... then When I took the pictures... well, old already, see shitty - looked then pictures on the priest - I was astonished at what people eyes. Here it is impossible to remove in this environment, some left frame, you cannot withdraw the statement. There all the time action, there all the time these eyes, there all the time, the present internal state of the characters. And, of course, this is an epic work, this is some epic event, this is some animated Tolkien, which I never liked, some LordoftheRings, because in this book there is no humor, there's some idiotic plot: some absolute battle of good versus absolute evil. And here finally this Tolkien for me came alive. I saw that, indeed, enough goodness here in this airport, which you cannot secure that protect do not need to be struggling with absolute evil, with those orcs that surrounded on all sides by the airport and hollow his "Grad", mortars and so on.
A. plushev - Talk about good and evil. Wanted to ask Timur Olevsky, you was said next.

So Olevsky - Close, Yes. I, fortunately, was not lucky to get there as got Serge, right there.

C. Loyko - had to stand in front of the armored personnel carriers, to wave a hand.

So Olevsky - I even tried to pretend to be a bag of sand " I will tell you this story. In order to get to the airport, need to go through several circles at least, the Russian journalists and to come to the village of Sands, where at the forefront of Ukrainian military mechanized brigade: artillery and Marines, and go from there, in fact, these armored personnel carriers, "swallow", as they call at the airport. There in my memory...

C. Loyko - You secrets not disclose...

So Olevsky - In General, there they go. It's not a secret, because the radio open there, it's understandable. So, look, what a story. There each race is a battle. At least, that Serge told me he saw it there directly. And I've seen is preparing to send these armored personnel carriers. This fight. Each shipment is artillery preparation from both sides. And in the desert I was in possession of the 79th brigade is artillery, mortars, which...

C. Loyko - 79th brigade is Marines.
So Olevsky - That part of the 79th brigade, where was I, they were men, they were artillerymen. I lived directly in the artillery. There was "the Right sector", which was engaged in their own Affairs. They, by the way, there is at the airport - a small part, I understand, "the Right sector". But I saw those soldiers Right sector", in which the Sands are sweeps, that is there all the time they spotters catch fire. And when I heard that spotters fire someone catches - and on one side and on the other I was - I always thought that they simply catch people who they don't like. But here I first saw how it looks, what is the spotter fire. That is, when in the destroyed house opposite the position of the artillery, in which no one lives, at night you can see the dim lantern light, blue color, this flashlight. There runs the exploration and finds items that were left for several minutes before they broke. When you receive such a successful gunner, in the place where the artillery battery, start dropping bombs. To hide from them only in the APC actually. Although people who are serving there and all are near their mortar calculations, a long time to hide ceased. They sit in the hangar, go to the position and the attacks are very phlegmatic, arguing thus: "If "Castle" will hit the roof - nothing will happen, and so if ACS will, of course, all of us will kill you." Here is nothing else happens. And this is the place from where you can see the band, that is the tower, which also has the Ukrainian military. On the tower there are two...

C. Loyko - Well, three places: the old terminal, new and tower - controlled Ukrainian troops.

So Olevsky And derrick, Yes. This thing, in my opinion, shooting place.

C. Loyko - This is hell hell.

So Olevsky - This is hell hell. There should never be. And people, I don't know how much time there, but I saw it myself, heard the pleas of a man, sniper, who was sitting on this rig with a request to change it, because there must be a wedding in 2 days, something like that. And it begged the commander to remain for some time, to new to talk to you and tell you how here. This conversation is very difficult to reproduce, but this is a conversation of a man who begs him to take out three hours earlier than necessary, because he wants to live, and that it asks for three hours yet to be in a place where it can be killed for these three hours. And they communicate, and the commander of his managed to persuade three hours yet to be in a place where it can in 10 minutes to kill. And he has a lot of time was there, and every minute believes that remained until the arrival of rescue personnel carrier.

A. plushev - Our listeners, a few people asking the same question: "What is the meaning for so long to keep this airport? Why you need it and the other side?"

C. Loyko - in this regard, I remember my favorite movie of all times and peoples, the epic, the epic spaghetti Western I've ever seen in my life, this film Sergio Leone's "the Good, the bad and the ugly". There the villains are looking for a bag of gold on a background of epic paintings of the American civil war. And now there is a moment when two villains: Clint Eastwood and Eli the Film close to the river, which they can not force, but they can't because over the river that the bridge is real and there is a horrible battle for the bridge: on the one hand - the northerners, on the other hand, the southerners. And southerners - it is a strategic object - I want to capture this bridge, and the northerners want to keep him. These two villains are sitting on the shore under fire, they don't know how to be. And at night they blow up the bridge and in the fear of sleep there. Wake up in the morning - no bridge, no one army, not the second.
So Olevsky, something like that, Yes.

C. Loyko - And here the same thing. If you just blow up the lane to blow up all that was left of this airport... I wonder how it does not fall, all this construction, which consists of 95% of the holes. There is a lot of great motives. Well, some Colonel will tell you that this is a strategic height that if we leave, it will open the way to the Sands, and they go back and forth... For most of those there, it's a symbolic thing, it's such Ukrainian Stalingrad. And so, "not a step, not an inch of ground from there we will not surrender".

So Olevsky - that's amazing. It would seem that there must be people who should want to leave. But I have not seen a single person.

C. Loyko - Explain. Everyone who was there with me all four days, they were all volunteers. Not in the sense that they are volunteers came into the army - there is only "Right" sector was the volunteers are a handful of the total composition. And there were scouts and special forces and paratroopers and artillery - all. And each of them - and there were all of age: 45 to 18 years - each of them was a volunteer there said, "Who wants to the airport?" All stepped out and came. Moreover, in the Sands, where I spent a lot of time, several times, where there is a huge number of Ukrainian military, every soldier dreams about how to get to the airport. For this Ukrainian soldier, the patriot of Ukraine this is the secret room of the "roadside Picnic" by Strugatsky, this is the secret room of the Stalker Tarkovsky, where he will go, and where he learns why, he was a Ukrainian man exists. And here is the disparity... in General, this war is not worth a damn. There was no reason to start. Topochemical and pointed tips in "Gulliver's travels" by swift - there were more reasons to kill each other than here. This is all fictional war. And here, in this new battle of Stalingrad also sense no no, neither the one nor the other side do not need this ogladac, the remains of burned, blown up to the airport.
So Olevsky - policy Now actually...

A. Plushev - Second. Will say. I only want to ask both of you: He's already in such condition that it even military aviation cannot use them?

So Olevsky - Well, the strip is not blown.

C. Loyko - Transport aviation of the Russian, in principle, it can sit on the bar.

So Olevsky - She can sit on the ground some bands.

C. Loyko - There was one of the best in Europe band, the longest. There can catch these"Jumbojet", these large transport aircraft. In principle, Yes, Ukrainians until it blew up.

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